68er-Revolte: Operation der CIA, um die alte Linke zu zersetzen??

[Rotkopfmilan]

ich liebe verschwörungstheorien. noch mehr freut es mich aber immer, wenn leute über sie schreiben. in der natur einer verschwörung liegt es eigentlich, dass man nichts von ihr weiss.
wenn man etwas über sie weiss, handelt es sich um eine missglückte, weil aufgeflogene.
merke: von den wirklichen verschwörern auf dieser welt, hat noch keiner je gehört, der nicht zu ihnen gehört.

Du hast zur zaristischen Ochrana gehört und weißt, dass die "Protokolle" von eben dieser "gefälscht" wurde, damit man - in verschwörerischer Absicht - Pogrome an Juden begehen kann?

[twoxego]

Du hast zur zaristischen Ochrana gehört und weißt, dass die "Protokolle" von eben dieser "gefälscht" wurde,

nun ist es raus und jeder weiss, dass ich über über 130 jahre alt bin, von den ganzen reinkarnationen einmal ganz abgesehen.

[Rotkopfmilan]

nun ist es raus und jeder weiss, dass ich über über 130 jahre alt bin, von den ganzen reinkarnationen einmal ganz abgesehen.

Du hattest behauptet " ... keiner je ..." habe gehört, der nicht dazu gehörte!

Und Du bist sicher einer, der "gehört" hat, dass die "Protokolle" gefälscht wurden und einer Verschwörung gegen die russischen Juden diente!



Stimmt's?

[twoxego]

die ochrana war keine verschwörung sondern ein ganz normaler geheimdienst eines staates. die schreiberlinge waren angestellte und keine wissenschaftler oder literaten. genau deshalb sind dann eben auch ihre namen unbekannt geblieben. es können dutzende gewesen sein. da gab es nicht den autoren.
autoren geben schon aus gründen der eitelkeit und des schutzes ihrer urheberrechte einen namen an, wenn auch nicht immer unbedingt ihren richtigen.

[dr-esperanto]

ich liebe verschwörungstheorien. noch mehr freut es mich aber immer, wenn leute über sie schreiben. in der natur einer verschwörung liegt es eigentlich, dass man nichts von ihr weiss.
wenn man etwas über sie weiss, handelt es sich um eine missglückte, weil aufgeflogene.
merke: von den wirklichen verschwörern auf dieser welt, hat noch keiner je gehört, der nicht zu ihnen gehört.

Jedenfalls wird die CIA und der Mossad doch nicht tatenlos herumsitzen......das wäre ja absurd. Man muss sich eben die Namen der CIA-Verbindungsmänner merken und ihre Taten beobachten und dann 1 und 1 zusammenzählen. Ob man das jetzt "Verschwörung" nennen soll, weiß ich nicht, sicher, diese Leute handeln nicht in unserem Interesse, sondern in dem der ganz Reichen, die alles kontrollieren, in dem Sinne liegt also eine Verschwörung gegen uns vor (weil die Aktionen ja zudem oft geheim geschehen). Wie kann man z.B. so naiv sein und von Hochfinanzlern wie George Soros und den Rockefellers etwas Gutes für uns normale Bürger erwarten?

[dr-esperanto]

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The CIA Created the Drug Culture

By Henry Makow Ph.D.
April 30, 2005

Leary In the 1950's, the CIA experimented with LSD for use in interrogation and as a weapon.

In the 1960's they used this weapon to divert idealistic Americans from the path of social responsibility to one of introspection and self-gratification, i.e. "spiritual liberation."

They neutralized my generation by turning social activists into "flower children" advocating "peace and love."

The mantra of the age was "Tune in, Turn on and Drop Out". The prophet was psychologist, Dr. Timothy Leary (1920-1996).

Was Leary working for the CIA?

Writer Mark Reibling put this question to the aged guru in 1994 after a speech in Gainesville Florida.

"They never gave me a dime," Leary replied with a pained expression, and then avoided his questioner.

If not a CIA agent, Reibling makes a convincing case that Leary was their dupe. The CIA promotes people who believe in a cause but are unaware they are advancing the New World Order agenda.

Like most intelligence agencies, the CIA does not represent national interests. It was created by British intelligence and serves the London-based central bankers.

The CIA said they sponsored radicals, liberals and leftists as "an alternative to Communism." This is not true. They did it to introduce a different style of Communism.

Behind the rhetorical facade, Communism is monopoly capitalism, controlled by the bankers and administered by the state.

Funds and drugs for Leary's research came from the CIA. In his autobiography, "Flashbacks" (1983), Leary credits Cord Meyer, the CIA executive in charge of funding the lib-left and counter culture with "helping me to understand my political cultural role more clearly."

Elsewhere he says the "Liberal CIA" is the "best mafia you can deal with in the Twentieth Century." (These references are from Reibling's groundbreaking must-read article: "Was Leary a CIA agent?" ) Leary clearly was working for the CIA but thought he was working for himself.

Like Leary we are all dupes.


A GENERATION OF MARIONETTES


When I was a child I used to lie in bed at night and read TIME and NEWSWEEK from cover to cover. At the age of 12, I helped organize marches for world hunger relief. At 14, the marches were for Negro Civil Rights.

In 1964, while still concerned with the American Negro, I noticed that I was dancing alone. The party had moved to another room. Vietnam was now the cause celebre. It was as if someone (i.e. the CIA-controlled media) had mysteriously blown a whistle.

I participated in a rising crescendo of anti-war activity. In 1968, after the gut-wrenching assassinations of King and Robert Kennedy, LBJ's decision not to seek reelection (his CFR handlers told him to go) and the clubbing of protesters at the Democratic Convention in Chicago deflated the anti-war movement.

Then, acting as one like a flock of geese, my generation gave up on social change, became "alienated" and "turned inward." Maybe we needed to change ourselves, we reasoned, before we can change the world. Thanks to the CIA, drugs were plentiful and Leary's mantra was echoed in the mass media.

Although it was another ten years before I tried marijuana, I experienced the "Summer of Love" hitchhiking across Canada in 1967. Maybe it was time to "hang loose" and focus on personal things. The 1970's became the "Me Decade."

The protest years weren't a complete waste. Before getting into bed, my first lover made me recount the history of the Vietnam War in detail to make sure I "was serious."

My sister and brother-in-law turned me on to marijuana on my 26th birthday. I saw myself as a choo-choo train ascending a steep grade billowing black smoke. My life was a strain. Marijuana was a revelation. It helped me get "out of myself." I took up yoga.

Although I have never experienced LSD, I embraced the utopian vision of Timothy Leary and Aldous Huxley. With considerable justification, they believed that "mind expanding" drugs could provide a genuine visionary experience and release mankind's spiritual potential. In experiments, theology students had life changing revelations; alcoholics were cured. For millennia, many cultures have used drugs to promote spirituality.

In Mexico, Leary took magic mushrooms. The experience convinced him the normal mind was "a static repetitive circuit."

"It was above all and without question the deepest religious experience of my life. I discovered that beauty, revelation, sensuality, the cellular history of the past, God, the devil, all lie inside my body, outside my mind."

This LSD-fueled vision of utopia was put into practice at the highest levels of the US government. In 1963, Cord Meyer's estranged wife Mary Pinchot Meyers was having an affair with President John F. Kennedy who had embraced LSD. Mary approached Leary for supplies and advice. She and her friends were turning on "some of the most powerful men in Washington."

In Dec. 1963, Meyer called Leary and said they killed JFK because "they couldn't control him anymore. He was changing too fast. They've covered everything up. I'm afraid. Be careful." In Oct. 1964, she was murdered.


MY WEEKEND WITH TIMOTHY LEARY


I had a serious case of hero worship when I visited Timothy Leary around 1990. I had contacted him through his publisher and he phoned me. I wanted to meet the guru to see if the utopian vision he represented was still alive.

I was disillusioned. By this time Leary was fixated on the benefits of the "information superhighway." His pantry table was crammed with bottles of alcohol. He told me his "vision of God" was depicted in the last scene in William Gibson's book "Neuromancer."

"At the end of the world, all the information stored in all the computers will rise up into Cyberspace and mingle together." he said. "That's God."

Wonderful, I thought. All those airline reservations mingling together.

At lunch, I tried to remind him of his original vision: using drugs to awaken our spiritual potential and become more God-like in behavior.

"What do you think God is?" he scoffed. "An old man with a beard?"

Prophets sometimes lose their vision. I think this is what happened with Leary.
But he was very generous with his time and hospitality. He was a genuine idealist.

I ferried him around Los Angeles in my rented car. He was appearing in a music video made by an obscure band. He was to earn $300. He lived in a nice house but he was not rich. I took him to see his daughter by his first marriage. She lived in public housing in the valley.

[Neutraler]

Wie kann man so vom Thema abkommen?

[twoxego]

Wie kann man z.B. so naiv sein und von Hochfinanzlern wie George Soros und den Rockefellers etwas Gutes für uns normale Bürger erwarten?

das hat mit naivität nicht das geringste zu tun.
es ist ganz einfach. man kann menschen nur nach dem beurteilen was sie tun oder sagen, nicht nach dem, was man glaubt, das sie denken und wollen.
ich kann nicht einfach davon ausgehen, dass mein nachbarn mir nach dem leben trachtet. das würde das leben ganz schön unerfreulich machen.
wie ich schon einmal schrieb; sollte es diese finstere superverschwörung tatsächlich geben, was ja nicht ausszuschliessen ist, wüssten wir nichts von ihr. das grade ist ja der sinn einer verschwörung.
es gibt organisationen, parteien oder andere gruppierungen, die in der tat nichts gutes im schilde führen. dies allerdings kann man ebenfalls, daran messen, was sie tatsächlich tun oder verkünden.
das wirken der hochfinanzler wird nicht selten thematisiert. sie tätigen ihre geschäfte mehr oder weniger vor den augen der öffentlichkeit.
was soll denn daran geheim und verschwörerisch sein, von geschäften hinter der tür einmal abgesehen.