75. Tag des Sieges/der Kapitulation: Fragen an die Deutschen

[herberger]

Das Motiv ist doch ein sehr wichtiger Ansatzpunkt.

Wenn mir jemand noch nicht mal das genaue Motiv erklären kann, dann kann ich mir den Rest auch sparen.

Bis auf die Nazis hatte bisher noch keiner seine Motive für Massenmord erklärt, jedenfalls wurde das nach 1945 ermittelt. Das wurde so gut ermittelt das keiner behaupten kann es handelt sich um eine Verschwörungstheorie.

[Lykurg]

Das Motiv ist doch ein sehr wichtiger Ansatzpunkt.

Wenn mir jemand noch nicht mal das genaue Motiv erklären kann, dann kann ich mir den Rest auch sparen.

Hast du den Buchlink übersehen? Wie gesagt, befasse dich mit dem internationalem Judentum, der ihm dienenden Freimaurerei und den Plänen einer NWO-Weltdiktatur. Ich kann hier allerdings nicht alles schreiben. Das ist der Punkt. Du findest bei archive.org auch viele alte Bücher, die dich sicherlich aufklären und dir die Augen öffnen werden. Capisce??

P.S.: Antikapitalismus ist gut und wichtig. Aber der von dir verehrte Kommunismus war und ist eine Mogelpackung

[Sjard]

Das Motiv ist doch ein sehr wichtiger Ansatzpunkt.

Wenn mir jemand noch nicht mal das genaue Motiv erklären kann, dann kann ich mir den Rest auch sparen.

Habe ich dir doch in meinem letzten Beitrag hier gesagt. Das Motiv sind die religiösen Überlieferungen, die umgesetzt
werden sollen und auch werden.

[kiwi]

Hast du den Buchlink übersehen? Wie gesagt, befasse dich mit dem internationalem Judentum, der ihm dienenden Freimaurerei und den Plänen einer NWO-Weltdiktatur. Ich kann hier allerdings nicht alles schreiben. Das ist der Punkt. Du findest bei archive.org auch viele alte Bücher, die dich sicherlich aufklären und dir die Augen öffnen werden. Capisce??

P.S.: Antikapitalismus ist gut und wichtig. Aber der von dir verehrte Kommunismus war und ist eine Mogelpackung

Hallo Lykurg, zuerst einen guten Morgen.
So hat es mir meine Mutter vor vielen Jahren gelernt- auch mein bisheriges Leben hat mich viel - sehr viel dazu gelehrt und nach dem lebe ich.
Mal gut - mal weniger gut.
Was in alten Büchern steht ist die Meinung dieser Schreiber zu den damaligen Begebenheiten/Verhältnissen.
Nicht unbedingt ist es auf die heutige Zeit übertragbar
Kleines Beispiel schau einmal um 20 Uhr im ARD die Nachrichten und um 22 Uhr im ZDF wie schnell sich Nachrichten und das gesprochene Wort ändern.


2015 meinte die ERIKA wir schaffen das – und heute wird das als Fehler eingestanden, so schnell geht das.
Gruß Kiwi und einen schönen Sonntag

[houndstooth]

War das 1941 nicht eine Forderung der USA an die Sowjetunion die Komintern aufzulösen?

Ja. Eine Bedingung für Lend lease.

Hab mal gelesen dass die Wiederzulassung der Kirche auch eine Bedingung für Lend lease war.[..]

Nein das war keine Forderung der USA an die Sowjetunion gewesen ,die Komintern aufzulösen.
Weil die Komintern aufzulösen nicht im nationalen Interesse der U.S.A. gelegen war.

Und....

Nein, die Wiederzulassung der Kirche war auch keine Bedingung für lend-lease gewesen.
Weil die Wiederzulassung der Kirche nicht im nationalen Interesse der U.S.A. gelegen war.

Die einzige vertragliche Bedingung war die Rueckgabe, bzw. Rueckzahlung in cash oder Gleichwertigem der unverbrauchten Hilfsgueter : "...to accept repayment “in kind or property, or any other direct or indirect benefit which the President deems satisfactory.”

[herberger]

Text WIKI.

Allgemein gilt die Auflösung der Komintern als ein Zugeständnis Stalins an die westlichen Alliierten, die USA und Großbritannien, auf deren Unterstützung Stalin nach Hitlers Überfall auf die Sowjetunion angewiesen war. Einen politischen Einfluss hatte die Organisation zu diesem Zeitpunkt nicht mehr.

[houndstooth]

Lend-Lease Agreement
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE U. S. S. R. ON THE DISPOSITION OF LEND-LEASE SUPPLIES IN INVENTORY OR PROCUREMENT IN THE UNITED STATES

The Government of the United States and the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, in order to provide for the orderly disposition in their mutual interests of the undelivered articles which were in inventory or procurement in the United States, prior to the cessation of active military operations against the common enemy, for the purpose of providing war aid to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics under the act of Congress of ~1arch 11,1941, as amended, agree as follows: Article l All articles and services undertaken to be provided by the Government of the United States under this agreement shall be made available under the authority and subject to the terms and conditions of the act of Congress of March 11, 1941, as amended, and any acts supplementary thereto. Article II Within such periods as may be authorized by law, the Government of the United States undertakes to transfer to the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics agrees to accept subject to the right of inspection referred to in article V, those articles which are or will be available to the Government of the United States for transfer to the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics out of articles that are included in the requisitions set forth in schedule I~A or in the categories of articles set forth in schedule I-B and that were in inventory or procurement in the United States for the purpose of providing war aid to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, but were not transferred, prior to the date of the signature of this agreement. The Government of the Union Soviet of Republics undertakes to pay the Government of the United States in dollars, for the articles transferred to the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics under this article, an amount to be determined as set forth in schedule II, and interest thereon, according to the terms and conditions set out in that schedule. The obligation of the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to make payment in dollars in accordance with the terms of this agreement may be discharged by the delivery of gold, which will be valued at the buying price for gold provided in the provisional regulations issued under the Gold Reserve Act of 1934 as the same may be in effect at the time of each delivery. Schedule I-A, Schedule I-B, and Schedule II, which are annexed hereto, are made a part of this Agreement. Article III Changes may be made from time to time by mutual agreement of the parties in the list of requisitions and categories in schedule I-A and schedule I-B. The Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics shall be released from its obligation to accept articles under the provisions of article II upon payment to the Government of the United States of any net losses to the Government of the United States, including contract cancellation charges, resulting from the determination of the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics not to accept such articles. The Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics reserves the right, without payment as provided in the foregoing paragraph, not to accept articles which cannot be made available by the Government of the United States in complete units as specified in the approved requisitions or written requests of the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, or in the offerings mad e by the United States Government, relating to such articles and units. Article IV Within such periods as may be authorized by law, the Government of the United States undertakes to aid in the movement to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics of the articles provided under article II by furnishing American flag shipping and related services so far as it deems necessary to supplement Soviet flag shipping and so far as it is consistent with the national interest of the United States, and the G6vernment of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics agrees to pay the Government of the United States for such shipping and related services as may be made available under the provisions of this article in an amount and on terms and conditions set forth in schedule II. Article V The Government of the United States will, in lieu of granting any warranty express or implied with respect to articles transferred to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, assign to the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics any assignable rights which it may have against the suppliers, inland carriers, or other private contracting agencies for breach of warranty, or any assignable claims for loss of or damage to articles prior to transfer to the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics shall have the right of inspection of articles prior to delivery. The Government of the United States undertakes to use its best efforts to provide appropriate assistance to the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to effectuate a satisfactory settlement with the suppliers, inland carriers, or other private contracting agencies of any claims of the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics covered by the aforesaid assignment. The Government of the United States agrees that the provisions of article V of the Mutual Aid Agreement of June 11,1942, shall not apply to supplies made available to the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics under the provisions of article JI of this agreement. Article VI The provisions of this agreement shall not apply to those articles which the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics has agreed to purchase and the United States Government has agreed to transfer under the terms and conditions of the letter dated May 30, 1945, from the Foreign Economic Administrator to the Chairman of the Government Purchasing Commission of the Soviet Union in the United States. Nothing in this agreement shall modify or otherwise affect the final determination, under the act of March 11, 1941, as amended, and the Mutual Aid Agreement between the two Governments of June 11, 1942, of the terms and conditions upon which the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics has received aid except for the articles and services made available under the provisions of this agreement. Article VII This agreement shall take effect as from this day's date. In witness whereof the undersigned, duly authorized by their respective Governments, have signed the present agreement in duplicate in Washington on the 15th day of October 1945. For the Government of the United States:

(Signed) LEO T. CROWLEY.
For the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: (Signed) LEONID G. RUDENKO.

SCHEDULE I (Schedule I-A and Schedule I-B contain voluminous detailed information concerning the materials and equipment to be supplied under the Agreement.) SCHEDULE II The terms and conditions upon which articles are to be transferred and shipping and related services rendered by the Government of the United States to the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics under the provisions of this Agreement are as follows: A. /Definiiions..-1. /The term "contract price" means the contract price f. o. b. point of origin, or the price computed by the United States Government f. o. b. point of origin in cases in which contracts are written on terms other than f.o.b. point of origin (confirmed by proper documents), which is paid by the United States Government to the contractor.
[...]
In the case of foodstuffs, such cost is included in the fair value of the article determined in accordance with subparagraph (1) above. D. The amount which the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics shall pay the Government of the United States for shipping and related services made available under the provisions of article IV of this agreement shall be determined on the basis of applicable rates established by the Government of the United States, which shall be subject to acceptance by the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. E. Payment of the total amount determined as set forth above in paragraphs C and D shall be made by the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, on or before July 1, 1975, in 22 annual installments, the first of which shall become due and payable on July 1, 1954. The amounts of the annual installments shall be as follows: Each of the first 4 installments shall be in an amount equal to 2.5 percent of the amount determined as set forth above; each of the second 4 installments shall be 3.5 percent of said determined amount; each of the third 4 installments shall be 4.5 percent of said determined amount; each of the fourth 4 installments shall be 5.5 percent of said determined amount; and each of the last 6 installments shall be 6 percent of said determined amount. Nothing herein shall be construed to prevent the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics from anticipating the payment of any of the installments, or any part thereof, set forth above. If by agreement of both Governments it is determined that, because of extraordinary and adverse economic conditions arising during the course of payment, the payment of a due-installment would not be in the joint interest of the United States and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, payment may be postponed for an agreed upon period. Interest on the unpaid balance of the total amount determined as set forth above in paragraphs C and D shall be paid by the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics at a fixed rate of 2^3/8 percent per annum accruing from July 1, 1946. Interest shall be payable annually, the first payment to be made July 1, 1947. For the Government of the United States:

(Signed) LEO T. CROWLEY.
For the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: (Signed) LEONID G. RUDENKO.

[herberger]

LEO T. CROWLEY und ein LEONID G. RUDENKO haben so ein wichtiges Dokument unterschrieben. Haben die Briten auch so ein Dokument?

Wer hat denn mit den Iwan die Bezahlungen ausgehandelt?

[Lichtblau]

Hast du den Buchlink übersehen? Wie gesagt, befasse dich mit dem internationalem Judentum, der ihm dienenden Freimaurerei und den Plänen einer NWO-Weltdiktatur. Ich kann hier allerdings nicht alles schreiben. Das ist der Punkt. Du findest bei archive.org auch viele alte Bücher, die dich sicherlich aufklären und dir die Augen öffnen werden. Capisce??

P.S.: Antikapitalismus ist gut und wichtig. Aber der von dir verehrte Kommunismus war und ist eine Mogelpackung

Ehrlich gesagt wäre es mir auch egal, wenn die Juden hinter dem Bolschewismus stünden.
Ich finde den Bolschewismus trotzdem toll.

[herberger]

Ehrlich gesagt wäre es mir auch egal, wenn die Juden hinter dem Bolschewismus stünden.
Ich finde den Bolschewismus trotzdem toll.

Im Land Brandenburg gibt es Orte, da kann man seinen Urlaub in einem Stasi Knast verbringen, man kann auch NVA Rekrut spielen, oder mit sowj. Panzerfahrzeuge durch die Gegend brettern das wäre doch was.

Ich warte nur noch das jemand anbietet mit der Stalinorgel zu schießen das wäre ein Superspaß.