US-Senatoren fordern den Abzug aus dem Irak

[Zaitsev]

Die Amerikaner sollen ruhig noch ein paar Jahre im Irak bleiben.

Richtig so, außerdem sollen sie ruhig noch Iran und Syrien angreifen, völkerrechtswidrig natürlich und in 10 Jahren kucken wir mal.

[SAMURAI]

Das kriegt Bush schon hin - er ist ein Art GRÖFAZ !

[Decalibur]

Na da gibt es viel zu tun, Iran, Syrien, Nordkorea. Gucken was dann kommt China?

[SAMURAI]

beNa da gibt es viel zu tun, Iran, Syrien, Nordkorea. Gucken was dann kommt China?

Aber geht schon, auch China schafft Bush links - mit Bibeln !

Hat wohl bei Reagan nachgelesen. Der hat in den IRAN Bibeln geschickt. Hat nichts geholfen - aber die Idde war gut ! 8o

[Igel]

Aber geht schon, auch China schafft Bush links - mit Bibeln !

Hat wohl bei Reagan nachgelesen. Der hat in den IRAN Bibeln geschickt. Hat nichts geholfen - aber die Idde war gut ! 8o

dein gelaber nervt

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House GOP Calls for Vote On Proposed Iraq Pullout
A Personal Attack Enrages Democrats

By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 19, 2005; Page A01

Differences over policy on the Iraq war ignited an explosion of angry words and personal insults on the House floor yesterday, when the chamber's newest member suggested that a decorated war veteran was a coward for calling for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops.

As Democrats physically restrained one colleague, who appeared he might lose control of himself as he rushed across the aisle to confront Republicans with a jabbing finger, they accused Republicans of playing political games with the war. GOP leaders hastily scheduled a vote on a proposal by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) to force the Bush administration to bring U.S. forces home now.



Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa. gestures during a Capitol Hill news conference, Thursday, Nov. 17, 2005, to discuss the Iraq War. Murtha, an influential House Democrat who voted for the Iraq war called Thursday for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, another sign of growing unease in Congress about the conflict. (AP Photo/Lauren Victoria Burke) (Lauren Victoria Burke - AP)

Hawkish Democrat Joins Call For Pullout
The top House Democrat on military spending matters stunned colleagues yesterday by calling for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, while many congressional Democrats reacted defiantly to President Bush's latest attack on his critics.



The idea was to force Democrats to go on the record with a yes-or-no vote on a proposal that the Bush administration says would be equivalent to surrender. Recognizing a political trap, most Democrats -- including Murtha himself -- planned to oppose the resolution, which was scheduled for a late vote last night.

But the maneuvering opened wide the chamber's raw partisan divisions and prompted a tumultuous scene, which Capitol Hill veterans called among the most wild and emotional they had ever witnessed.

Though even many Democrats think Murtha's immediate withdrawal plan is impractical, it stuck a resonant chord in a party where frustration with the war and the Bush administration's open-ended commitment is mounting fast. Murtha galvanized the debate as few other people could have. He is a 33-year House veteran and former Marine colonel who received medals for his wounds and valor in Vietnam, and he has traditionally been a leading Democratic hawk and advocate of military spending.

Hoping to put Democrats on the spot after the praise they had lavished on Murtha, Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) offered a resolution calling for an immediate withdrawal of troops. Members were heatedly debating a procedural rule leading to the resolution when Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-Ohio) was recognized at 5:20 p.m. Schmidt won a special election in August, defeating Iraq war veteran Paul Hackett, and is so new to Congress that some colleagues do not know her name.

She told colleagues that "a few minutes ago I received a call from Colonel Danny Bubp," an Ohio legislator and Marine Corps Reserve officer. "He asked me to send Congress a message: Stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message: that cowards cut and run, Marines never do."

Dozens of Democrats erupted at once, pointing angrily at Schmidt and shouting repeatedly, "Take her words down" -- the House term for retracting a statement. For a moment Schmidt tried to keep speaking, but the uproar continued and several GOP colleagues surrounded her as she sat down, looking slightly dazed.

Presiding officer Mike Simpson (R-Idaho) gaveled in vain for order as Democrats continued shouting for Schmidt to take back her words. "You guys are pathetic!" Rep. Martin T. Meehan (D-Mass.) yelled from the far side of the Democratic to the Republican side.

Just as matters seemed to calm a bit, Rep. Harold E. Ford Jr. (D-Tenn.) suddenly charged across the aisle to the GOP seats, jabbing his finger furiously at a small group of GOP members and shouting, "Say Murtha's name!" Rep. David R. Obey (Wis.), who had led the chants for striking Schmidt's comments, guided Ford by the arm back to the minority party's side.

At 5:31, when order was finally restored, Schmidt rose again and said softly, "My words were not directed at any member of the House." She asked that they "be withdrawn" from the record.

As the House temporarily moved to other matters, a calm Ford said in an interview that he charged across the aisle because he was angry that Republicans were using a political ploy to avoid "a real debate" about the war. "I said, 'If you believe it's about Murtha, then talk about Murtha, don't hide behind a resolution,' " Ford said.

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House GOP Calls for Vote On Proposed Iraq Pullout
As procedural matters dragged into the night, some Democrats said the Republicans had overplayed their hand. "This is trifling with the troops, it's playing games with people's lives," Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio), a leading opponent of the war, told reporters. "The American people are not going to tolerate it."

But Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) -- who conferred with Schmidt on the House floor on how to defuse the situation -- said the controversy was "an inside-the-Beltway thing" that would mean little to most voters. "We're a little bit less concerned about Democrats' tender spots and their sensitivities than the 19-year-olds in Baghdad," Kingston said in an interview. "When it comes to the morning, and the news is that the House voted against a withdrawal, that's a good signal to send our troops."



Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa. gestures during a Capitol Hill news conference, Thursday, Nov. 17, 2005, to discuss the Iraq War. Murtha, an influential House Democrat who voted for the Iraq war called Thursday for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, another sign of growing unease in Congress about the conflict. (AP Photo/Lauren Victoria Burke) (Lauren Victoria Burke - AP)



Hawkish Democrat Joins Call For Pullout
The top House Democrat on military spending matters stunned colleagues yesterday by calling for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, while many congressional Democrats reacted defiantly to President Bush's latest attack on his critics.

But one senior Republican, who spoke on background to avoid irking colleagues, said he was surprised that GOP leaders had allowed matters to reach the point of loud name-calling in the House. "At this point there appears to be little adult supervision over floor proceedings," the lawmaker said.

Ways and Means Committee Chairman Bill Thomas (R-Calif.) noted that GOP leaders did not want to bring up his panel's tax bill yesterday because they feared it would "step on our message of reducing the deficit."

"I was going around telling people, 'So we're not stepping on our message?' " Thomas said after the floor fracas. "I think some of them would take the tax bill right now."

Democrats said the GOP had galvanized their caucus by attacking Murtha. "It's impressive the uncanny way in which the Republicans have the ability to unify the Democrats," said Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.). "It just shows they know no boundaries."

"They're out of control," said Rep. Rush D. Holt (D-N.J.).

Staff writer Juliet Eilperin contributed to this report.

[Igel]

egal ob man fuer den irak krieg war oder dagegen: jetzt abzuziehen waere auf jeden fall ein fehler aber man sieht deutlich wie politiker den irak krieg fuer sich selber ausschlachten wollen. einfach widerlich.

[SAMURAI]

egal ob man fuer den irak krieg war oder dagegen: jetzt abzuziehen waere auf jeden fall ein fehler aber man sieht deutlich wie politiker den irak krieg fuer sich selber ausschlachten wollen. einfach widerlich.

Ich finden sie sollten mögichst lange dort bleiben und ihren Job machen.

[Micham]

Ouch! 403 Abgeordnete stimmten gegen den sofortigen Abzug der Truppen. Immerhin sind 3 dafuer

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